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100 years of silence doesn’t even begin to cover what needs to be done to honor the lives of those innocents lost to the evil of abortion. In the 40 years since Roe, human life has become so devalued that celebrities demand compassion for abused animals but these same celebrities demand we recognize the right to murder preborn human beings. We are told that bullying is an epidemic and we are surprised it has gotten this out of hand and yet we raise our children in a society that is based on the myth that someone’s worth is determined by his size or stage of development. A paradigm shift has occurred since Roe first changed our world and until we reorient society back to a belief in the inherent value of human life from conception until natural death none of our societal ills will be cured.
Tonight, on the 40th anniversary of the darkest day in our great country’s history, I end my day with the prayer that this evil will see it’s end in our lifetime. I pray that God will soften the hearts of those who make their living on the death of innocent children, injured mothers, and broken families. I pray my own children may be able to live in a world where abortion is no longer the norm and in a society that wonders at it having lasted as long as it did in the same way we wonder how slavery was allowed to exist in a land built on freedom for all men. I pray that God will forgive all of us who have not done enough to end this scourge on our nation and our world. And I pray most of all for healing of the scar it has left in my generation where over one third of my fellows have not made it to birth.
Beautifully said Bridget!
“Tonight, on the 40th anniversary of the darkest day in our great country’s history,”
Forgive me…but are you under the impression that abortions never took place before Roe v. Wade?
Not at all. However, Roe v Wade was a moment when our society chose to accept the evil rather than fight it.
Actually, it was the moment when our society understood abortions would take place regardless of the law, and took steps to save as many women’s lives as possible.
We could argue all day about this, but why? Women still die from abortions, from birth control, both of which are legal and regulated. Roe didn’t make it safe or rare, only legal.
“Women still die from abortions, from birth control”
But it’s much, much more rare than it was for that to happen. The number of women to die from birth control is shockingly tiny, as well.
“We could argue all day about this, but why?”
Why discuss anything? Because you (the general you, not just you specifically) might learn something.
it’s not as rare as you might think, just not reported properly. The abortion industry (and it is one, a very big money-making industry), especially Planned Parenthood is full of lies and cover ups. PP offers to help pimps abort the babies of their prostitutes and knowingly allows underage girls to have abortions without parental knowledge. If you are interested in learning something about this, please check out http://www.liveaction.org
I agree discussion leads to learning. I simply don’t want a discussion that degenerates into a screaming match where no one learns anything. From my end, while the loss of any human life is regrettable, I will never see the murder of a preborn human as anything but a great evil. Making it legal did not make it safe as it always ends in at least one death and quite often in the lasting emotional scarring of not only the mother but also the entire family.
While I disagree with your conspiracy theory, I can understand your position.
My question would be this: what is your goal? Do you want abortions to be stopped, or do you want to punish doctors and women for having them?
If the second, then by all means outlaw abortion and do nothing else.
If the first, then what we need is more comprehensive sex education and access to birth control. That will stop abortions faster and more efficiently than anything else.
The first is my primary goal, and I do believe that doctors who perform them should face criminal charges. I believe the mothers should be given the help they need to cope with what they’ve participated in.
Birth control won’t do it as it encourages a culture of death. Several forms of birth control are in fact abortifacients, which in reality do not prevent conception but rather destroys the newly formed life.
What will help is better education as to when, scientifically, life begins. Any biologist worth his salt will tell you that it begins at conception, even the ones who view abortion as acceptable. If we truly want to end abortions we need to change the culture.
” I believe the mothers should be given the help they need to cope with what they’ve participated in.”
Why shouldn’t they face criminal charges? If I hire an assassin to kill someone, I would face prosecution. Why shouldn’t a woman who, in your view, is hiring a doctor to kill someone be prosecuted as well?
“Any biologist worth his salt will tell you that it begins at conception, even the ones who view abortion as acceptable.”
Any biologist will also tell you that the majority of fertilized eggs are naturally aborted by the female body for any number of reasons. Which, to me, suggests that the greatest child murderer is either nature or god, depending on your opinion.
So in your view the human body by following its natural processes is a murderer? That is a total non sequitur. Taking an active role in murdering another human being is not the same as a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion.
“So in your view the human body by following its natural processes is a murderer?”
No. But I believe, if you want to be consistent, then a method of birth control that prevents implantation is virtually ethically identical to the human body preventing implantation by itself. So your position on one should be the same as your position on the other.
I don’t believe a fertilized egg is equivalent to a baby, but if you do then why isn’t a spontaneous miscarriage/abortion looked on the same as birth control that might prevent implantation?
And if a woman spontaneously miscarries, doesn’t that make her womb a crime scene? Should we send in investigators to find out if it actually was spontaneous and not caused by something she did? And shouldn’t we do this for every possible spontaneous abortion? I mean, if a fertilized egg is the equivalent of a human baby, shouldn’t we have to do that morally?
And this is why I didn’t want to argue. You have just crossed over the edge from a reasonable debate into one where you make ridiculous comparisons to make your point.
“Actually, it was the moment when our society understood abortions would take place regardless of the law, and took steps to save as many women’s lives as possible.” That is completely inaccurate, abortions date back as far as ancient Egyptian times. It has little or nothing to do with saving women’s lives as it has to do with making money and breaking down a society rooted in Christian beliefs.
“And this is why I didn’t want to argue. You have just crossed over the edge from a reasonable debate into one where you make ridiculous comparisons to make your point.”
Sincerely, what is ridiculous about my point?
You believe (if I understand you) that a fertilized egg is the equivalent, morally if not biologically, to a fully grown human.
If we had discovered that a fully grown human had died, we would investigate to find out if it was natural or if the person had been murdered.
If a woman miscarriages or naturally aborts a fertilized egg, which if done by a doctor or by medication you would consider murder, shouldn’t we also investigate to make sure that the woman didn’t cause it in some way?
These things look equivalent to me based on how I understand your position. Am I misunderstanding that position?
Granted, it looks ridiculous to me, but only because I don’t think a fertilized egg is the equivalent of a fully grown human. I don’t know why, if you think they are equivalent, it should look ridiculous to you.
“Actually, it was the moment when our society understood abortions would take place regardless of the law, and took steps to save as many women’s lives as possible” So just because abortions would continue illegally, that is a valid reason to (a) keep it legal and (b) we should instead focus on saving only one of the two lives involved?
(a) – keep it legal because it is going to happen anyway. Well incest, other forms of murder, physical abuse, and robbery, to name a few, all happen even though they are outlawed. So under your logic, we should make incest, other forms of murder, etc. legal. People drink and drive, even though it violates law, so by all means we should legalize and make it readily available? Should we open stores for would-be murders and abusers to learn the latest techniques and procure the necessary tools? Absurd right? Keeping abortion legal simply because it will continue if illegal, is just as absurd.
(b) Why should we focus on one life instead of trying to save both of them?
Additionally, your statements on comparing abortion to medical issues, is also flowed. The logic is flawed. Assault and battery are illegal. If someone commits those on your person, an investigation by the police would be conducted. If you have a disease that causes physical harm, in any number of ways, you would think it absurd if the police conducted an investigation. Your logic is flawed. A miscarriage is not a murder – willful intentional taking of a life. It is a biological event like any other acute or chronic medical condition. Oh, and fyi, medical doctors often do preform investigations into why a miscarriage occurred to prevent it from happening again in the future.
A person’s a person no matter how small. I choose to fight for the rights of those who are weak and can’t fight for themselves.
“A person’s a person no matter how small.”
And apparently when only made of a few cells?
So goes on the debate that has gone on for years. It’s very sad to me hearing people say abortion is horrible and it’s not a form of birth control, but they had one because they didn’t want a baby at that point. If you make a “mistake” with any other part of your life you need to deal with it, why is having sex and creating life any different? Pregnancy outside of marriage is looked at as a horible thing but sex outside of marriage is no big deal, fun, something to laugh about. Well if you get pregnant you need to face it and be an adult and bring a good human into this world. If you decide to raise it yourself or give the baby for adoption is your decision, but you can’t abort it. If you were to have sex and contract a disease, you can’t just go to a doctor and make this go away, why should this be different? The truth is, is it’s a money maker and a way to control our population. I remember do research for a debate in highschool on this subject and spoke to a doctor who preformed abortions and she said I only do these ways, because I feel this other way is in-humane. I never forgot that because to me she way admitting it was a life as well. I don’t look at anyone differently becasue they had an abortion, because it’s legal and we are taught if it’s legal it’s ok. I do pray for them, often and hope that God understands we aren’t being taught it’s wrong, we are not being taught not to do it, we are taught it’s an option. I just pray.
As far as spontaneous abortions or miscarriages are concerned, it’s doing something your body has to do, like breathing or going to the bathroom. It’s not a crime scene. Girls are taught at a young age that bc is fine, it helpes with acne, it helps with cramps, it helps with bad attitudes, oh and if you want to sleep with that guy, it’s ok too. I met someine who had her 13 year old daughter on it because she didn’t want her skin to be as bad as her’s was when she was a teen. Really? We are sending so many bad messages to our youth, but if you asked girls and women if they knew that a lot of them actually blocked a fertilized egg for forming into a life, a lot of them have no idea. I have a number of friends that when they found this out, went off the pill. All we can do is pray and educate and pray and educate and even if it’s never overturned, maybe it will just stop on it’s own.
““A person’s a person no matter how small.”
And apparently when only made of a few cells?”
Yup exactly. If you had cancer, but only a few cells, would you say you didn’t have cancer because it was only a few cells? It is or is not cancer. (precancerous cells would be akin to an egg, further action is needed to make a human, and further action is needed for those precancerous cells to become activated into cancer). A human is a human or is not a human. Not once he/she reaches a certain size. Again, flawed logic. All human organs are formed by 8 weeks. So on week 8 day 1 he/she is a human and on week 7 day 6 he/she is not human? At just 24 days the human heart is beating, so what is growing inside a woman with a human heart beating at just over 3 weeks?
“A human is a human or is not a human. ”
So every time a woman’s body naturally aborts or miscarries, she’s killing a human?
Perhaps the women involved should be arrested. At least for manslaughter, don’t you think? If a human is a human, then clearly they’re guilty of involuntary manslaughter at the least.
“Perhaps the women involved should be arrested. At least for manslaughter, don’t you think?”
No I don’t. Again, with the flawed logic. Similar to what I mentioned before concerning police investigating a miscarriage.
Involuntary manslaughter is the ‘unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony’. Clearly there is seriously flawed logic.
I see you are trying to make this salacious, but your logic is just doesn’t flow.
“I see you are trying to make this salacious, but your logic is just doesn’t flow.”
No, I’m just trying to show your inconsistancy. Clearly the fertilized egg is not the same as a human. If it was, you would be behind prosecuting the mother when miscarriages happened. The fact that you aren’t indicates there is something different between fertilized eggs and humans.
No, the fact that I don’t support prosecuting the mother who suffers a miscarriage is because, as I said, there was no criminal act underlying the death. If a person dies at home and the post man finds him, he is not guilty of anything.
You have not once shown any inconsistencies in the truth of which I speak. Your lack of logic, has been shown time and again.
I am off to pack for my trip to our nation’s capital to protest the legalization of murder. A human beating heart, is a human beating heart. It is not a cyst, tumor, fish, bird or plant. Even though your title says you are not a scientist, I am sure you are aware of that.